THE ROBERT W. WHITAKER ARCHIVE

MANTRA THINKING 2 | 2014-04-17

We are too busy fighting the only fight that matters for us to take time to stand back and look at all the lessons this fight will, in later life, teach us. But there are a LOT of them.

One I have given repeatedly was the simple failure of conservatives to point out that Communism was stupid because every Communist state had to shoot anyone who tried to escape it.

That is NOT a subtle point, but respectable conservatives and their kind were (and are) just too blindly stupid to use it.

We all know that gun control types live for another tragedy to exploit. Even dumbass conservatives have recently started mentioning THAT.

But conservatives never think down to the MANTRA level.

Yes, mass shootings would go down if victims had anyone there to defend them WTH a gun. Even conservatives are beginning to realize THAT.

But we are still not down to the basic premise.

The basic premise no one thinks not to concede is that freedom IS dangerous.

Freedom is NOT the right to do anything no one else disapproves of.

Every slave has always had THAT right.

Freedom is not the right to do anything that can do no harm to anybody.

Once again, you had that many rights under Hitler and Stalin.

Hence the importance of tragedies to gun control.

An asylum for the criminally insane is a totalitarian state.

A society that is treated like an asylum for the criminally insane is logically a totalitarian state.

In fact, the pro-gun argument is eerily similar to the pre-BUGS argument on race.

Both gun control opponents and AMPWs begin by conceding the other side's most critical point.

AMPWs try to justify the very existence of our race.

The NRA tacitly concedes that people should only be allowed guns if some maniacs don't misuse guns too much.

COMMENTS (27)

#1 Bob | 2014-04-17 10:31

By the way, even Mommy Professor can sometimes et SOMETHING right:

http://www.princeton.edu/%7Emgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf

12:46 AM >Researchers from Princeton University and Northwestern University have concluded, after extensive analysis of 1,779 policy issues, that the U.S. is in fact an oligarchy and not a democracy.

>While Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance majorities of the American public actually have little influence over the policies our government adopts

>When the preferences of economic elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled for, the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy

#2 Secret Squirrel | 2014-04-17 13:16

They are have found that big money AND special interest groups (like BUGS) make a difference, while those practicing voting politics, make no difference at all.

Bob and Horus have been saying this for YEARS.

"the U.S. is in fact an oligarchy and not a democracy"

I find this statement funny. They're implying that not all democracies are like this.

#3 Jason | 2014-04-17 14:59

I think this is where the TOADIES come in and help create the illusion of democracy. They get on the bandwagon for "same-sex marriage", gun control, amnesty or whatever is being pushed.

#4 Jason | 2014-04-17 14:53

This link works better for me (it looks the same but somehow the one above doesn't connect):

https://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf

#5 shari | 2014-04-17 11:08

Not to mention, that very same olgarchy is genocidal anti-white.

#6 Simmons | 2014-04-17 18:47

I'm going to admit when I see two negatives in a sentence my head swims. So I will assume we mean that we can concede that freedom is dangerous.

Anyway America's trajectory has always been in this direction, our Western expansion was to make America safe for hot blonde's like Linda Evans (Big Valley) to have a safe shopping experience, and here we are today.

But Freedom also means free from and so we are liberating whites from evil, free from anti-white predjudice, hatred and violence. So freedom is good in that regard and a much better good than the dangerous conditions the anti-whites inflict upon whites.

#7 Steadiness | 2014-04-18 00:05

I never thought people should have the right to own guns until I acknowledged the right of Whites to defend themselves. But if enough people do that, the police will crack down on crime, and guns won't be necessary anymore.

#8 Secret Squirrel | 2014-04-18 04:15

Not what we do here but:

Criminals will not obey your little laws, because criminals do not obey laws.

So if you take guns away from law abiding citizens, only criminals will have guns.

If a criminal goes on a killing spree and you have rendered all law abiding Whites defenseless, the kill count will be far higher, than if law abiding citizens can shoot back.

Ever heard of a killing spree at a gun show? I haven't. Every big killing spree, has been in a declared "gun free zone".

There is no moral argument to render Whites defenseless fish in a barrel, to be shot at, stabbed or beaten to death by criminals, or their own governments. Not one.

Self defense is a human right.

#9 WmWhite | 2014-04-18 10:04

"A society treated like an asylum for the criminally insane is logically a totalitarian state."

This a very good description of many white countries today, especially the USA (i.e. NSA spying and surveillance camera every 20-ft)

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Bob has said that many of our supposed allies concede important fundamental conditions to their opponents --before the discussion and fireworks even begins.

His example of the NRA agreeing with 'gun control' advocates as to what Maniacs (that's anyone who wants a gun) should and shouldn't have a weapon and even what type of weapon and clip size... is a good example of: With friends like these, who needs enemies.

Bob strikes home by reminding us of a basic premise: freedom IS dangerous.

"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."

"Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."

--Benjamin Franklin (paraphrased)

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aside: this statement does not advocate giving the criminally insane or violent criminals guns, but that we are ALL being lumped, by the anti-white system, into the same walled chamber of suspicion and must prove our innocence and fidelity to the state (i.e. controlling elite's conditions and rules) or be chastised.

#10 Cleric_Preston | 2014-04-18 19:19

The advocates of safety control would rather see a woman raped then a rapist shot.

The job of politicians and police is to keep the streets safe for rapists and murderers.

As a legislated victim who am I to prevent a rapist raping me ? To prevent rape is to infringe upon the rapist's civil rights, that's why you can't have a gun to stop a rapist from raping.

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It will be amazing how past everything else will fall into place once White Genocide is stopped. I am confident that within a few decades Aussies, Brit's and Canadians etc will once again be able to buy combat rifles and semi-hollow mercury filled armour piercing cyanide bullets from the local sports store, if the authorities don't have the army driving around in trucks giving away free guns to any White person who wants one.

However the important thing is to first stop White Genocide, if we don't it doesn't matter if Pedro can have a bayonet lug on his AR15, or not.

#11 Horus | 2014-04-18 22:10

Since this is the top blog post. I am going to share this here as well as on the Swarm. Hope you guys enjoy this.

We officially started our next animation series

Johnny Racist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9RL2-8aFX8

Happy Easter

from THE White Rabbit

#12 Daniel Genseric | 2014-04-19 02:14

"One [lesson] I have given repeatedly was the simple failure of conservatives to point out that Communism was stupid because every Communist state had to shoot anyone who tried to escape it." - Bob

This is why a certain General and other liberal politicians (notice I wrote OTHER liberal politicians?) have openly declared their lust to see Traitor Edward Snowden shot. Not imprisoned, tortured or otherwise; they want him SHOT. Snowden's conspiracy charges are nothing unique. In fact, this past week there has been talk of freeing yet another "convicted" Israeli spy, Jonathan J. Pollard. They sent him away for LIFE almost 30 years ago.

Snowden's crime isn't divulging Trade Secrets. Capitalists and Communists alike have been doing this for about as long as paying for sex represented some people's only real chance at getting laid. Snowden's High Crimes are being WHITE, publicly leaving the United States and thinking he could get away with it.

This cannot stand in the USSA.

#13 Asgardian | 2014-04-19 13:46

Ya know Daniel thats a really smart observation. I always wondered how the media would react if snowden wasnt white. Same thing as that LA cop that went on a rampage he was almost glorified. If he was white they probably would have killed him with drones. He left while being white. He did a very white thing lol.

#14 Henry Davenport | 2014-04-19 14:22

We have a problem, and all of us need to send emails to Kyle Hunt via Laura.

Kyle apparently thinks "White GeNOcide" is the best thing that's come along in ages to get Whites tuned in properly about "jews" (that TV interview with him) and to open up White hearts to Mr. Hitler. This in the Modesto Bee article about the wonderful Easter Egg frolic:

"He [Kyle Hunt] points out that the march scheduled for today is just a day before April 20, which is not only a 'marijuana holiday and Hitler's birthday, but it is also Easter this year.'"

http://www.modbee.com/2014/04/18/3299563/plastic-easter-eggs-filled-with.html?sp=/99/1571/&ihp=1#storylink=cpy

Here's what appears on the home page of Kyle's White Man March website, that the Modesto Bee article quoted:

Full Steam Ahead! The first White Man March was a great success. We now need to build upon the success of the first march, using some of the same tactics and signs, but also evolve our strategy. When a scheduled march is close to a popular holiday, we ought to take advantage of this by adapting our memes and message delivery. The next March is on Saturday, April 19th, only one day before 4/20, which is not only a marijuana holiday and Hitler's birthday, but it is also....

http://whitemanmarch.com/

I see no place to contact him on his website...I'm going to write him an email and send it to Laura to forward, and I recommend that all of you do the same.

This is what is going to happen over and over and over in the years ahead. We can either resign ourselves to letting the Mantra be eaten whole by "Jews," "Hitler," "Holocaust" and all the other totems worshipped by able pro-Whites who will grasp our baton and run backwards with it, or we can do our best to keep that contamination small.

Pro-Whites have been talking only to each other for so long that they don't realize that's no longer their audience when they're spreading Mantra.

#15 Horus | 2014-04-19 14:52

HD,

There are no more formal White Man March. That chapter is over. It was a one off event... New Users of the Mantra always tailgate. Even more refined users tailgate from time to time. Notice they did not call Bob.

What do you propose Laura do? We can only offer advice. Kyle is still learning our approach. He is relatively new to the Mantra. Read the Salon column about White Genocide (just out). You cannot shelter White Genocide as a message. We can only stay on it ourselves. Over the long run....the odds favor the message purest.

IMO this has more to do with learning a message and how to be on message. More importantly the Media loves stereotypes and tailgating. But there is nothing we are going to do about that except stay on message ourselves. Of course, when Kyle starts using the Mantra exceptionally well......the media will stop calling him. LOL

Others are going to grab on to our message and use it. And they will not fully understand how to weaponize it right away. Conundrum of a successful meme.....THE Media could easily call Bob. That is the most important point.

These things tend to run their course. Right now they are trying to associate our message with Violence etc. Same ole ...same ole. And good luck with that one. We'll just keep kicking out material and staying on message.

#16 Bob | 2014-04-19 15:05

Dead on as usual, HD!

#17 Daniel Genseric | 2014-04-19 21:32

Oh stop coddling him coach. Would ya?

We already talked about this a day or two after the WMM went down. It's time for Kyle to think on this a bit as his wounds are still fresh. No sense in tying him off at the pillar again.

The real solution is for Hunt to get out there and pound the anti-whites with his N&J mini and others and feel the pain of tailgating. Only then will he see how less anti-white resistance=epic fail. You can only learn practical politics through practice and experience.

It's the only way. Until then, HD might as well be preaching to Duke or Taylor. God knows I love 'em both.

#18 Henry Davenport | 2014-04-19 15:38

Thanks, Bob. I sent the below to Laura to forward to Kyle.

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Kyle, I want to say right off the bat that I sincerely have a lot of respect and appreciation for you for your huge part in the White Man March.

I also have great hopes for what your extraordinary abilities may accomplish in the years that lie ahead.

That's the good part, and now I have to say things that I don't know how to say diplomatically, and I can only hope that you'll take them in the perhaps somewhat curmudgeonly, but nevertheless very collegial spirit in which I offer them.

We are colleagues, because we're both working to fight White Genocide. Therefore we both want the other to be more effective. I'm Henry Davenport on BUGS and White GeNOcide Project, and Harumphty Dumpty on SF. So here goes:

Mixing Mantra material with "Jews" and (God forbid!) "HItler" is just about the worse thing under the sun you can do. Our audience of course is the White masses, who hear one thing and only one thing when a pro-white speaks either the word "jew" or "Hitler" to them:

"I'm a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews."

The Mantra and everything associated with it has been designed to sidestep that anti-white conditioning.

When you attach Mantra phrasings to those old pro-white favorites, you sidestep our sidestepping and turn Mantra into just one more message about "jews."

Do that, and then take a look in 10 years and see the utter failure of "the Mantra against Jews."

Pro-whites who can't give up the jew message remind me of educators who won't give up trying to close the "achievement gap."

Aside from that, I ask you to please look at this comment I wrote about it on BUGS...there may be a discussion there in which you'd like to participate.

http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/2014/04/17/mantra-thinking-2-2/#comment-66921

You're a powerful dude, and the day you get Mantrified will be a very happy day for me personally and a great day for the White race. I mean that last with all my heart.

HD

#19 Henry Davenport | 2014-04-19 16:15

"Of course, when Kyle starts using the Mantra exceptionally well......the media will stop calling him. LOL"

Ha! So true. But when Kyle starts using the Mantra exceptionally well, it will be as big a boost for us as when Jimmy Marr arrived or when Kyle did what he did for the White Man March.

I don't agree with you that we can just wait for extremely bright, able, and independent pro-Whites like Jimmy and Kyle to magically soak up all our core Mantra understandings. It took me several months of swarming and tailgating and being repeatedly shown how to do it after I arrived here to be able to "flip the script," as we say.

As I vaguely recall Kyle's TV interview, flipping the script was what he needed to do (it's almost always what's needed, since it's the Mantra!)

Where is Kyle going to learn it? Where is Jimmy going to learn it? Neither swarm, and I'm not necessarily saying they should...I encourage people to do what they enjoy...that's what I try to do...but at present we have no other means for newcomers, however bright, to learn the very unnatural techniques that are part of the heart of Mantra. It's a problem! It's not something one soaks up very quickly by just being around bugsters.

I don't know the solution, but it's a start to let these huge talents who take up Mantra know that there are things that they don't understand.

The forces of previous conditioning, accustomed modes of "debating," EVERYTHING operates to distort the Mantra and draw it toward styles like Kyle's present style, NOT toward Mantra style. There are NO forces operating to draw Mantra usage toward Mantra style except us bugsters. So we should do all we can, and in the long haul it's likely to be a close thing even then whether the Mantra survives in useful form.

#20 Henry Davenport | 2014-04-19 16:35

In short, if the forces on the Mantra were mostly centripetal, i.e. tending to draw people in toward correct usage of it, we could be more relaxed about misuse of it.

But ALL the forces on the Mantra, except those we exert ourselves, are centrifugal, i.e., they draw Mantra users out away from proper usage into usages they are more accustomed to or which feel more natural to them.

#21 mandela | 2014-04-19 16:55

Great work HD. WMM was a huge success, but great follow up HD.

#22 Horus | 2014-04-19 17:14

HD,

Good points. My concerns are somewhat different in regards to Kyle. I have seen this a couple dozen times. Someone uses the Mantra to try to educate others on other issues. For instance, maybe they are successful using the Mantra for some time. So they start trying educate people on the real history of slavery in America or some other issue. They always burn out. ALWAYS.

The Mantra works because it addresses the psychological warfare dead on. You cannot educate in the face of psychological warfare. Those that try to mix the two burn out. So in Kyles case. I have been concerned about him burning out. I have seen this time after time. In Kyles case, he played a roll in a big publicity stunt to get White Genocide out into the public. And it was successful. He probably was not expecting anything like what happened. And it was so successful that he started using his energy to educate. That is a recipe for burn out. And since Kyle has immense talents and is very sincere. I have kept an ongoing Skype conversation with him about these topics.

You cannot educate or debate in the face of psychological warfare. PERIOD. The Mantra is there to expose the public to the circus of White Genocide. The Mantra is not there to educate about who runs the Circus. Nor is the mantra there to talk about the obvious fact there are some Clowns participating in the Circus. The Mantra is there it expose the Circus of White Genocide as a whole. So when you start trying to educate. You no longer acknowledge the basics. You no longer acknowledge WHY we have been successful. And you are doomed to failure. In the case of Pro Whites .......THEY always burn out. They are never around long enough.

Your point about flipping the script Mantra style is valid. One day, someone will do it at a visibly high level correctly. And it will be out of the blue unexpected. It maybe you HD, and it will be a watershed moment etc. Who knows. But that is typical of consistent messages. Until then we will keep moving forward.

#23 Simmons | 2014-04-19 18:52

This post by Horus is a gem.

I would put real, effective practical politics as being able to destroy the AUTHORITY your opposition draws from. The Mantra destroys the concept of "anti-racism" and exposes the complete evil fraud that it is.

I've told many of the intellectuals and old timer WN types that the word "racist" has more authority to the vast majority of whites than their quibbling essays of details.

#24 Horus | 2014-04-19 17:34

Furthermore, I have viewed Kyle as another Truck Roy. Some of the Bugsers that I respect the most did not think Truck Roy would ever fully pick up the Mantra. For whatever reason, it took Truck a bit to shake off old habits. The usual habits that ProWhites pick up that HD so aptly discussed above. Truck Roy had em in spades. But he did pick up the Mantra and we all better off for it. Just took some sticking to it and talking about the basics etc with him. Of course, Truck Roy did not have some big publicity stunt blow up in his face while on the learning curve.

#25 Al Parker | 2014-04-20 08:32

I was going to remind you all whose birthday anniversary falls today, but it sounds like Kyle Hunt and the rest of you are well aware.

Good points made here. The H word causes an instantaneous programmed negative reaction. Whereas the G word takes advantage of the other side's propaganda power. The mantra cannot be responded to without thinking first. If the audience first goes through the discomfort of making mental effort, then anything is possible.

#26 -frank- | 2014-04-20 17:07

Gentlemen, the points made by all on this thread are almost better than "you know what".

I do hope that Kyle understands that this is an invitation to be put in the Mantra Meme Forge and have his already incredible talent and drive ground to a more EFFECTIVE sharpness.

It's very hard for most normal people, even very talented ones, to "tolerate" the process that goes on here: it's painful. I've watched several of the uber BUGSers here suffer the forging process, and the result was painful, but they became EFFECTIVE in a way they never knew before that little light bulb popped on.

Bob's message, and his PROCESS for forging EFFECTIVE BUGSers, is not easy to understand. In fact, it's so simple ... like many wise things, that by looking for the complexity you walk right past the SIMPLE that's standing right in front of you.

Kyle, if you're reading this, c'mon in! The water isn't lukewarm, it's HOT, but it's worth it.

#27 Yankee Rebel | 2014-04-20 19:23

Old habits are indeed difficult to shake. I made the mistake recently here of adding the word "Jew" to a mini-Mantra which caused all kinds of misunderstandings and upset. I learned from that experience how important it is to avoid that word and a few others. I agree that trying to educate people at this stage is a big waste of time. We just need to keep pounding our memes out until they become a common "household" word. Until then, we keep working.