#30 D. Logsdon | 2013-05-16 10:55
Mr. White,
"I will kindly respond to any Bugster that wishes to win the war not win an argument to protect their own ego. "
That statement is not an Ad hominem fallacy. I attempted to set realistic rules for a discussion. I presume that your reasons for being a Bugster or identifying with Bugsters is to help the white race. Since my purpose is to personally aid in that goal I reserve the right to limit my time as to what I will spend my time discussing and being pertinent to that cause. The statement didn't attack you personally as would be required in an Ad hominem attack but expressed a warning that if the response statements were of personal interests like looking good or putting me in my place for ego I would not consider them valid. Choice on how to behave in the discussion was always up to you or anyone else participating. Nor was it a fallacy. It was not a statement of fact.
Your next statement to me however was a classic Ad hominem attack by suggestion of a false dichotomy that I was either an "Anti-White" or "Anti- Mantra White" Both of which were contradicted by my previous comments. I said the Mantra worked and made efforts to promote a concept that I don't think is addressed by the Mantra but could help to make it more effective if used as an additional talking point. You also used an Ad hominem attack when you stated that my efforts were deliberate "misdirection and sabotage".
"Many of the powers that be in the non-western culture fully believe in Genocide or subjugation as a valid stratagem even in this century. We will never have an effect on that part of humanity."
"We know."
Well then. . . if you know and I agree then why can't another pro white suggest that the issue is not --"in my opinion"-- being sufficiently addressed?
"In your opinion"
Sorry to say that the retort (and this is not an Ad Hominem attack) "in your opinion" is not a valid counter to a point of contention. It is (not you but it) the childish equivalent of a school yard child saying "says you" in a verbal attack. Let me be clear if it was ever in doubt of course virtually everything I say is in my opinion unless it is a direct quote from someone else.
"Good! Please do take your toys and go home. You will find plenty of buddies to play with at Stormfront or even better, VNN. "
Once again an classic ad hominem attack you sum up with suggesting my motives are suspect and that I'm just suitable for those low brow groups ( I presume that's what you meant since you didn't state specific pejoratives as to why I should go to VNN or Stormfront ) or organizations so stop bothering Bugs with my thoughts.
That statement is a perfect example of why "in my opinion" Bugsters' (in my personal experience with them) are not interested in outsiders opinions.
As far as Linder, Black, HAC, Bob W. and Wallace all have valid ideas in part unfortunately all have blind sides on some issues. That is why all need to be receptive to ideas from outside Pro-Whites. Sadly that is rare.
In conclusion let me suggest that those at VNN, Stormfront or the Northwest Front are more in tune with your goals than those you debate every day to outreach to them is just as valid a strategy as it is to post the Mantra on Anti-white sites. People that share a goal can persuade or educate one another much more readily that those who are racial competitors and sometimes mortal enemies.
"We are a small group and, according to you, we will accomplish nothing of relevance. So why stick with us in the first place? Shouldn't you get away from us altogether?"
Maybe if you didn't "swarm" with outside pro-whites you wouldn't be such a small group. But you would have to listen and discuss without getting your feelings hurt when outsiders make observations. You (Bugs) currently have the baton in this relay we (whites) need you to do what you do, it has helped immensely but you need to address the point of "Black flight" and reject the concept of White Flight.